From a brother...
"Bro Ryan,
Thanks for the poignant response. I appreciate your openness.
I would like to press you a little further however, to define what exactly being "reformed" means to you - if not the monergistic working of God in salvation. It seems from your response that you believe fallen man still has 'enough' will to "agree and die", that he can resist God's salvific grace, and that he can fall away - in some manner or another. For me, that seems a little difficult to reconcile with any reformed system.
I may just be misunderstanding your definitions, explanations, etc., and if that's the case, I apologize. But if I was to speak frankly, it doesn't seem like you are affirming any of the five-points...lol."
My response...
"Press away on me brother! I love this kind of friendly dialogue that helps to define our terms and, hopefully, draw us nearer to the God who saves as we grow in the knowledge of who He is through how He interacts with His creation. I believe the key is to be willing to take everything into prayer if we feel there is something to what the other is saying. Our alliegance, as you have stated, is to Jesus, not a doctrine. Though we do both recognize the importance of doctrine, I think one of the most important aspects of it is the willingness to hear from the Lord and grow in it...together as a body.
Brother, to be honest with you, all I know of being "reformed" is what I have heard from other brothers. (blush as my lack of knowledge is exposed) =) I equate "reformed" mostly with being Calvinist. I do know some other brothers that would consider themselves "reformed" but not Calvinist.
If you have any articles on it, (that aren't too long) =) that describe it in a way you accept, I'd be open to reading them.
Ok, I don't believe that man has it in himself to make the initial move toward God but I don't agree completely with the "I"...I don't know of any Scriptures that necessitate the idea that we can't help but come to God. I think that every ounce of distance covered on the straight and narrow in our race is initiated and carried out by God as we agree, in our freedom, in God's work of sanctification. Yes, I believe that man has a will that God, in His love, allows us to exercise in agreement with Him or against Him. Specifically, God initiates a work in man (it can only be this way because "none seek after God") but after the initial drawing, man has freedom to agree or resist. I am open to God overriding freedom at certain points...=)
T - I agree completely!
U and L - Seem to go hand in hand if you accept that God has foreknowledge of everything. I think God foreknew everyone who would hear, believe and persevere, so that, from eternity, God knew all that would be in Christ and thus part of the chosen people of God. So, in a sense, it could be said that salvation was/is "meant" for these people but available for all.
I - In general, I think God gives us the freedom to agree with grace. But I do think that sometimes, maybe, possibly He overrides that freedom to accomplish the greater good that gives Him the most glory. He definitely has the ability to! I think God giving us the freedom to agree with the grace gives Him the most glory because it reveals the goodness of Him whom we freely choose to run to after tasting and seeing His goodness rather than (pardon me) treating us all like dogs on a leash that He must yank along over and against our will. I know there are other ways of looking at this that make irresistible grace more appealing and magnify God's goodness in His mercy, especially on a devotional/relational level, but it can still be boiled down to this. Like I said before, grace is irresistible in the initial drawing of God, but this doesn't necessarily mean salvation. It could be a spiritual awareness that causes man to begin seeking. God has it set up, in my mind, that man can't do anything for Him or toward Him apart from Him, so God still gets the glory of all good that is done, but man still has the freedom ("where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom") to yoke himself again if he doesn't lean on God for help in everything. One thing is for sure, I don't want to resist ANY of God's grace! (I'm still workin on this stuff!!!)
P - Nope. Hebrews 10:26-27, 1Tim 4:1, etc. - I hold these warnings as realities that are not heeded at times. God's grace is REALLY REALLY hard to escape, especially in a salvific sense (i.e. - "losing your salvation"), but I do believe I have seen it happen. I don't know where the line is drawn exactly (i.e. when people actually "lose" their salvation), only God does.
Ok...that's alot of typing but I appreciate the encouragement to go deeper as you "press me". Please, continue to. If we want to get more into the "correctness" of my understanding, I am so game. I don't really want to read...but rather discuss. Is there room for discussion on particular topics concerning Calvinism's correctness, or is that "off limits" on a reformed blog? Bear in mind brother, I RARELY dabble in these areas and tend to be much more pragmatically and devotionally bent in my blogging.